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		<title>By: LAL</title>
		<link>http://www.livingalmostlarge.com/2009/07/05/should-pastors-make-a-lot/comment-page-1/#comment-7551</link>
		<dc:creator>LAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting point Meg.  That different churches preach different things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting point Meg.  That different churches preach different things.</p>
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		<title>By: Meg from FruWiki</title>
		<link>http://www.livingalmostlarge.com/2009/07/05/should-pastors-make-a-lot/comment-page-1/#comment-7536</link>
		<dc:creator>Meg from FruWiki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm.... with CEOs it is expected that salary is a big factor in which company they decide to work for, and successful CEOs will help a company make a lot more money, so good CEOs are expected to be offered larger salaries.

But, if a pastor chooses his/her church largely based upon getting a huge salary, then is he/she that good a pastor? Personally, I wouldn&#039;t want my pastor to be motivated so much by money. And do mega churches offer large salaries because they think that those pastors will bring in not just more souls but more money? And if so, does that whole &quot;business model&quot; change the way a pastor preaches? 

It seems to me that the mega churches are the ones that preach more about being financially successful, whereas smaller, poorer churches talk more about doing good works and the virtues of living simply. Are they each just preaching to their audience and telling them what they want to hear?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;. with CEOs it is expected that salary is a big factor in which company they decide to work for, and successful CEOs will help a company make a lot more money, so good CEOs are expected to be offered larger salaries.</p>
<p>But, if a pastor chooses his/her church largely based upon getting a huge salary, then is he/she that good a pastor? Personally, I wouldn&#8217;t want my pastor to be motivated so much by money. And do mega churches offer large salaries because they think that those pastors will bring in not just more souls but more money? And if so, does that whole &#8220;business model&#8221; change the way a pastor preaches? </p>
<p>It seems to me that the mega churches are the ones that preach more about being financially successful, whereas smaller, poorer churches talk more about doing good works and the virtues of living simply. Are they each just preaching to their audience and telling them what they want to hear?</p>
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		<title>By: Meg</title>
		<link>http://www.livingalmostlarge.com/2009/07/05/should-pastors-make-a-lot/comment-page-1/#comment-7534</link>
		<dc:creator>Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some pastors can and do command high salaries, especially in large wealthy congregations.  I attend a large church in one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in the country, and the tithes that are raked in - along with the church budget - is huge due to the incomes of the people who are members there.  The paster I&#039;m sure makes 6 figures, but that&#039;s still a small percentage of the church budget.

I don&#039;t mind a bit that he makes that kind of money because a) most of the church income DOES go go very worthy causes and b) he deserves it in my opinion.  It&#039;s interesting you compare the pay to that of CEOs because he IS effectively a CEO.  

Every congregation needs and wants a pastor they can relate to and look up to as a spiritual guide through the secular world they live in.   They also need somebody who can manage the church&#039;s relationship in the community and manage the church budget, among other things.  

Wealthy congregations and large churches demand very highly educated, incredibly talented leaders to hold together and direct their multi million dollar churches.   Of course they also must be very Godly people and inpirational teachers, etc.  

Every church is different and every pastor is different.  Many small churches only require (and some will only consider) volunteer pastors with no education who simply prepare a message and show up on Sunday to deliver it.   But for those churches that require much more - and get it from people who could make very good livings doing other things- they are generally very willing and able to pay for services rendered.  

Every church is different, but  every church also votes on what to pay its pastor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some pastors can and do command high salaries, especially in large wealthy congregations.  I attend a large church in one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in the country, and the tithes that are raked in &#8211; along with the church budget &#8211; is huge due to the incomes of the people who are members there.  The paster I&#8217;m sure makes 6 figures, but that&#8217;s still a small percentage of the church budget.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mind a bit that he makes that kind of money because a) most of the church income DOES go go very worthy causes and b) he deserves it in my opinion.  It&#8217;s interesting you compare the pay to that of CEOs because he IS effectively a CEO.  </p>
<p>Every congregation needs and wants a pastor they can relate to and look up to as a spiritual guide through the secular world they live in.   They also need somebody who can manage the church&#8217;s relationship in the community and manage the church budget, among other things.  </p>
<p>Wealthy congregations and large churches demand very highly educated, incredibly talented leaders to hold together and direct their multi million dollar churches.   Of course they also must be very Godly people and inpirational teachers, etc.  </p>
<p>Every church is different and every pastor is different.  Many small churches only require (and some will only consider) volunteer pastors with no education who simply prepare a message and show up on Sunday to deliver it.   But for those churches that require much more &#8211; and get it from people who could make very good livings doing other things- they are generally very willing and able to pay for services rendered.  </p>
<p>Every church is different, but  every church also votes on what to pay its pastor.</p>
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		<title>By: LAL</title>
		<link>http://www.livingalmostlarge.com/2009/07/05/should-pastors-make-a-lot/comment-page-1/#comment-7508</link>
		<dc:creator>LAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Craig, i posted on a two different message boards and many pastors made more than $100k.  Also many commented they wouldn&#039;t go to mega churches because of the pay to pastors which is over $100k easily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Craig, i posted on a two different message boards and many pastors made more than $100k.  Also many commented they wouldn&#8217;t go to mega churches because of the pay to pastors which is over $100k easily.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig @ Money Help For Christians</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig @ Money Help For Christians</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a minister I think it is important to point out that this is a sensationalized extreme.   I was just doing some research for my blog and the average pastor salary is just under $40,000.
Moreover, it is important to keep in mind that this pastor does not set his own salary.  Who knows what he is doing with the money he earns?  Should a pastor refuse a salary if it seems too much?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a minister I think it is important to point out that this is a sensationalized extreme.   I was just doing some research for my blog and the average pastor salary is just under $40,000.<br />
Moreover, it is important to keep in mind that this pastor does not set his own salary.  Who knows what he is doing with the money he earns?  Should a pastor refuse a salary if it seems too much?</p>
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		<title>By: LAL</title>
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		<dc:creator>LAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil, I&#039;m sure more than few feel that way.

Angie, I thought pastors maybe made like $50-60k, or so I&#039;ve heard from kids of pastors.  But if you read the article it&#039;s unbelievable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil, I&#8217;m sure more than few feel that way.</p>
<p>Angie, I thought pastors maybe made like $50-60k, or so I&#8217;ve heard from kids of pastors.  But if you read the article it&#8217;s unbelievable.</p>
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		<title>By: Angie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to work at a church, and am related to more than one pastor, and even in high COLAs, I&#039;ve never heard of one making more than 100k.  He was in San Jose during the late 90s when everyone in the congregation was making 100-200k plus stock options.  Typically it&#039;s my experience that senior pastors make in the 50-60 range, and other pastors (worship, youth, etc.) tend to make in the 30-40s.  The &quot;housing allowance&quot; they get is usually part of that salary, but it&#039;s classified differently so that it isn&#039;t taxed. A pastor&#039;s job is much more difficult than just the Sunday preaching - they are literally on call 24/7, and I do believe that they should be well compensated.  I feel that more important than the actual dollar number he&#039;s getting paid, is the percentage of church income that he&#039;s taking home.  The vast majority of tithes should be going to programs/missions/etc., but if the church is bringing in 2 million a year, I see nothing wrong with the pastor taking home 100k.  I think I&#039;d be hard pressed to find any justification for a pastor making 600k though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work at a church, and am related to more than one pastor, and even in high COLAs, I&#8217;ve never heard of one making more than 100k.  He was in San Jose during the late 90s when everyone in the congregation was making 100-200k plus stock options.  Typically it&#8217;s my experience that senior pastors make in the 50-60 range, and other pastors (worship, youth, etc.) tend to make in the 30-40s.  The &#8220;housing allowance&#8221; they get is usually part of that salary, but it&#8217;s classified differently so that it isn&#8217;t taxed. A pastor&#8217;s job is much more difficult than just the Sunday preaching &#8211; they are literally on call 24/7, and I do believe that they should be well compensated.  I feel that more important than the actual dollar number he&#8217;s getting paid, is the percentage of church income that he&#8217;s taking home.  The vast majority of tithes should be going to programs/missions/etc., but if the church is bringing in 2 million a year, I see nothing wrong with the pastor taking home 100k.  I think I&#8217;d be hard pressed to find any justification for a pastor making 600k though.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi

I think it is wrong for a pastor to be paid this amount.  The priority of the church should be to help people, not make any one individual wealthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>I think it is wrong for a pastor to be paid this amount.  The priority of the church should be to help people, not make any one individual wealthy.</p>
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		<title>By: LAL</title>
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		<dc:creator>LAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 02:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michelle, understandable.  Sounds like your family wanted to minister their flock. I&#039;m not so sure about those other people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michelle, understandable.  Sounds like your family wanted to minister their flock. I&#8217;m not so sure about those other people.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 02:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am very biased on this topic, as my grandparents were both in the ministry (my grandfather as a pastor and grandmother as a teacher and music director)...and they made PENNIES. Literally - the church owned a home for them to live in &amp; paid the utilities, but their combined salary was less than $20/month through the 1960s. Their parishoners provided meat, eggs, canned goods and gramma had a garden and kept goats &amp; a cow. In today&#039;s monetization of religion (see: Olsteens, Falwells &amp; Robertsons to name a few), I think equating what these folks are to my grandparents does a major disservice...to those &quot;called&quot; to being pastors/ministers. But I also don&#039;t understand why major league athletes make what they make, so I&#039;m (again) a little biased on the issue!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very biased on this topic, as my grandparents were both in the ministry (my grandfather as a pastor and grandmother as a teacher and music director)&#8230;and they made PENNIES. Literally &#8211; the church owned a home for them to live in &amp; paid the utilities, but their combined salary was less than $20/month through the 1960s. Their parishoners provided meat, eggs, canned goods and gramma had a garden and kept goats &amp; a cow. In today&#8217;s monetization of religion (see: Olsteens, Falwells &amp; Robertsons to name a few), I think equating what these folks are to my grandparents does a major disservice&#8230;to those &#8220;called&#8221; to being pastors/ministers. But I also don&#8217;t understand why major league athletes make what they make, so I&#8217;m (again) a little biased on the issue!</p>
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