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		<title>By: LAL</title>
		<link>http://www.livingalmostlarge.com/2009/06/10/yes-there-is-good-debt/comment-page-1/#comment-7118</link>
		<dc:creator>LAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Inkstain, I definitely agree there is more financial help for poor people. But even then typically they need to take out loans because grants aren&#039;t enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inkstain, I definitely agree there is more financial help for poor people. But even then typically they need to take out loans because grants aren&#8217;t enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Inkstain</title>
		<link>http://www.livingalmostlarge.com/2009/06/10/yes-there-is-good-debt/comment-page-1/#comment-7107</link>
		<dc:creator>Inkstain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 04:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll definitely concede that colleges are a lot more expensive than I thought.  It might not be as feasible to pay for your own four years without any parental or financial aid as it was even five years ago.

But if you are poor enough that you need to help support your family, you are poor enough to get financial aid, so you aren&#039;t paying for yourself entirely. I highly recommend the TRIO program, for example.  

I&#039;m definitely not arguing the idea that there&#039;s good debt, and that college debt can fit under it.  I&#039;m just saying these things need a careful consideration of all options and facts.  It&#039;s a quick step from &quot;Well, I have to go into debt to go to college&quot; to &quot;Well, it&#039;s a good school, who cares how much I&#039;m borrowing,&quot; to &quot;I&#039;ll borrow $250k to get liberal arts degree with no job prospects. I have to follow my dreams!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll definitely concede that colleges are a lot more expensive than I thought.  It might not be as feasible to pay for your own four years without any parental or financial aid as it was even five years ago.</p>
<p>But if you are poor enough that you need to help support your family, you are poor enough to get financial aid, so you aren&#8217;t paying for yourself entirely. I highly recommend the TRIO program, for example.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m definitely not arguing the idea that there&#8217;s good debt, and that college debt can fit under it.  I&#8217;m just saying these things need a careful consideration of all options and facts.  It&#8217;s a quick step from &#8220;Well, I have to go into debt to go to college&#8221; to &#8220;Well, it&#8217;s a good school, who cares how much I&#8217;m borrowing,&#8221; to &#8220;I&#8217;ll borrow $250k to get liberal arts degree with no job prospects. I have to follow my dreams!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: LAL</title>
		<link>http://www.livingalmostlarge.com/2009/06/10/yes-there-is-good-debt/comment-page-1/#comment-7099</link>
		<dc:creator>LAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Inkstain, I doubt without debt it possible to go anything other than a CC.   Then using the extra years after 18 probably you can transfer to the regular university.

Problem is people who are poor typically do have to help their families.  They need to work to pay the bills.  Thus cutting into your savings of $7/hr.  If you are paying for food, gas, utilities and even rent, then where&#039;s the money going?

And Frugal Urbanite has a point.  It&#039;s a nice idea that kids don&#039;t have to work to pay for things in life.  And there is more to life than money and the restrictions of hours worked is important to note.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inkstain, I doubt without debt it possible to go anything other than a CC.   Then using the extra years after 18 probably you can transfer to the regular university.</p>
<p>Problem is people who are poor typically do have to help their families.  They need to work to pay the bills.  Thus cutting into your savings of $7/hr.  If you are paying for food, gas, utilities and even rent, then where&#8217;s the money going?</p>
<p>And Frugal Urbanite has a point.  It&#8217;s a nice idea that kids don&#8217;t have to work to pay for things in life.  And there is more to life than money and the restrictions of hours worked is important to note.</p>
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		<title>By: Frugal Urbanite</title>
		<link>http://www.livingalmostlarge.com/2009/06/10/yes-there-is-good-debt/comment-page-1/#comment-7090</link>
		<dc:creator>Frugal Urbanite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;because you can’t expect 16 year olds to be that responsible.&quot;

How about &#039;because we shouldn&#039;t expect 16 year olds to give up their formative years and skip out on all experiences not related to their job&#039;? There are other things to life besides just making money/avoiding debt. 

I fully support the idea of working as a teen and starting to save up for college, but I dunno about everyone else, but I&#039;d rather my kids were also able to study extra hard for their AP exams, played sports, joined academic clubs, volunteered, did church related activities and occasionally were allowed to spend their money on teen-aged fun in addition to earning some change for college.  It&#039;s not easy to do all that when you&#039;re working &#039;full-time&#039; (28 hours for minors in NY) because of the restrictions on the hours during the day you could work and saving every penny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;because you can’t expect 16 year olds to be that responsible.&#8221;</p>
<p>How about &#8216;because we shouldn&#8217;t expect 16 year olds to give up their formative years and skip out on all experiences not related to their job&#8217;? There are other things to life besides just making money/avoiding debt. </p>
<p>I fully support the idea of working as a teen and starting to save up for college, but I dunno about everyone else, but I&#8217;d rather my kids were also able to study extra hard for their AP exams, played sports, joined academic clubs, volunteered, did church related activities and occasionally were allowed to spend their money on teen-aged fun in addition to earning some change for college.  It&#8217;s not easy to do all that when you&#8217;re working &#8216;full-time&#8217; (28 hours for minors in NY) because of the restrictions on the hours during the day you could work and saving every penny.</p>
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		<title>By: Inkstain</title>
		<link>http://www.livingalmostlarge.com/2009/06/10/yes-there-is-good-debt/comment-page-1/#comment-7086</link>
		<dc:creator>Inkstain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I&#039;m going to revise the above sentiment. Schools are getting a lot more expensive than I realized, and I haven&#039;t even been out that long.

If your parents can&#039;t afford to take care of your most basic needs (food, shelter, clothing) without you working until you are 18 (in 2009, that is, not necessarily in a hypothetical past), there should be plenty of government programs to get them there without you having to work for it.

$7 hour X 20 hours a week X 52 weeks a year x 2 years x 12 percent taken out for taxes x 2 percent interest =

$13,040 saved up after two years.

That&#039;s getting you maybe a year and a half these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I&#8217;m going to revise the above sentiment. Schools are getting a lot more expensive than I realized, and I haven&#8217;t even been out that long.</p>
<p>If your parents can&#8217;t afford to take care of your most basic needs (food, shelter, clothing) without you working until you are 18 (in 2009, that is, not necessarily in a hypothetical past), there should be plenty of government programs to get them there without you having to work for it.</p>
<p>$7 hour X 20 hours a week X 52 weeks a year x 2 years x 12 percent taken out for taxes x 2 percent interest =</p>
<p>$13,040 saved up after two years.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s getting you maybe a year and a half these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Inkstain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Inkstain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My parents were not rich. They weren&#039;t middle class. They were pretty much straight in the middle of poverty. IF I had done what I described above, I could have gone to college with no debt. But like I said, I&#039;m not saying everyone should be expected to do that, because you can&#039;t expect 16 year olds to be that responsible.  The system shouldn&#039;t expect everyone to be perfect.

(Incidentally, I would have saved more money from my HS job if my dad hadn&#039;t insisted that I had to have a car. He thought a car was something everyone should have, I would have preferred to do without and save the difference.)

If you want to start talking about meeting people, there&#039;s my wife, who didn&#039;t get to start school until she was 23 because she was supporting her disabled mother. If you really want to avoid debt, that&#039;s another option.

If you work 20 hours a week from your 16th birthday on, you will have enough money when you turn 18 to afford two years of the full cost of attendance at a state school.  You can save up for the last two years while you go to the first two years. If you work more during the summers, get any sort of raises, or get any sort of financial aid at all, you are even better off.

Let&#039;s get this straight: I&#039;m not saying this is what everyone should do.  Trying to go to college without debt is hard, will force sacrifices and isn&#039;t for everyone.  But I do think it&#039;s important to acknowledge that it can be done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My parents were not rich. They weren&#8217;t middle class. They were pretty much straight in the middle of poverty. IF I had done what I described above, I could have gone to college with no debt. But like I said, I&#8217;m not saying everyone should be expected to do that, because you can&#8217;t expect 16 year olds to be that responsible.  The system shouldn&#8217;t expect everyone to be perfect.</p>
<p>(Incidentally, I would have saved more money from my HS job if my dad hadn&#8217;t insisted that I had to have a car. He thought a car was something everyone should have, I would have preferred to do without and save the difference.)</p>
<p>If you want to start talking about meeting people, there&#8217;s my wife, who didn&#8217;t get to start school until she was 23 because she was supporting her disabled mother. If you really want to avoid debt, that&#8217;s another option.</p>
<p>If you work 20 hours a week from your 16th birthday on, you will have enough money when you turn 18 to afford two years of the full cost of attendance at a state school.  You can save up for the last two years while you go to the first two years. If you work more during the summers, get any sort of raises, or get any sort of financial aid at all, you are even better off.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s get this straight: I&#8217;m not saying this is what everyone should do.  Trying to go to college without debt is hard, will force sacrifices and isn&#8217;t for everyone.  But I do think it&#8217;s important to acknowledge that it can be done.</p>
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		<title>By: LAL</title>
		<link>http://www.livingalmostlarge.com/2009/06/10/yes-there-is-good-debt/comment-page-1/#comment-7080</link>
		<dc:creator>LAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Inkstain that is only possible if you go to a CC for 2 years then transfer.  AND you aren&#039;t supporting your parents.

Would you like to talk to my mom and uncle and aunts?  Working from age 12 and putting food on the table?  Damn them for not saving for college and instead paying for rent, food, medical, etc.

I guess their parents should have been able to support them better.  Or maybe they should have gone on welfare. 

Working at age 16 and saving it all up is easy if you parents are rich. I know, I did it. I saved my money for a car and living expenses.  So did my DH.

Our parents were not so fortunate.  They were busy working to support their families and paying for college and taking out some loans.  

So if you are already middle class great.  If you aren&#039;t?  Then what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inkstain that is only possible if you go to a CC for 2 years then transfer.  AND you aren&#8217;t supporting your parents.</p>
<p>Would you like to talk to my mom and uncle and aunts?  Working from age 12 and putting food on the table?  Damn them for not saving for college and instead paying for rent, food, medical, etc.</p>
<p>I guess their parents should have been able to support them better.  Or maybe they should have gone on welfare. </p>
<p>Working at age 16 and saving it all up is easy if you parents are rich. I know, I did it. I saved my money for a car and living expenses.  So did my DH.</p>
<p>Our parents were not so fortunate.  They were busy working to support their families and paying for college and taking out some loans.  </p>
<p>So if you are already middle class great.  If you aren&#8217;t?  Then what?</p>
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		<title>By: Imee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Imee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 09:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, true. And I like Inkstain82&#039;s tips--people should be responsible already at a young age, on money or otherwise. After all, it&#039;s hard to teach an old dog new tricks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, true. And I like Inkstain82&#8217;s tips&#8211;people should be responsible already at a young age, on money or otherwise. After all, it&#8217;s hard to teach an old dog new tricks.</p>
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		<title>By: Inkstain82</title>
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		<dc:creator>Inkstain82</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 03:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Work from the moment you are 16, save every penny, and you can afford a state school with no debt pretty easily.

Of course, any system that depends on the responsibility of 16-year-olds is a doomed system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Work from the moment you are 16, save every penny, and you can afford a state school with no debt pretty easily.</p>
<p>Of course, any system that depends on the responsibility of 16-year-olds is a doomed system.</p>
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		<title>By: kemkem</title>
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		<dc:creator>kemkem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do believe there is good and bad debt. I grew up in a part of West Africa where there is virtually no such things as loans and certainly no credit cards!, not for mortgages, cars etc. Most people can&#039;t afford the deposit on even a rental apartment, of course no car, so you ride the bus (which is a term l use loosely &#039;cos it&#039;s not unusual to have 60 people stuffed in a bus meant for 20!) No regular food, no proper schooling..etc..etc.. It&#039;s a vicious cycle that people can not break from and the rich keep getting richer. We are truly lucky and spoiled here. Even a poor person here has the opportunity to use debt to better their lives, it happens every day! Sometimes we forget that. Yeah.. some people abuse the privilege, but there are always the rotten apples in the barrel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do believe there is good and bad debt. I grew up in a part of West Africa where there is virtually no such things as loans and certainly no credit cards!, not for mortgages, cars etc. Most people can&#8217;t afford the deposit on even a rental apartment, of course no car, so you ride the bus (which is a term l use loosely &#8216;cos it&#8217;s not unusual to have 60 people stuffed in a bus meant for 20!) No regular food, no proper schooling..etc..etc.. It&#8217;s a vicious cycle that people can not break from and the rich keep getting richer. We are truly lucky and spoiled here. Even a poor person here has the opportunity to use debt to better their lives, it happens every day! Sometimes we forget that. Yeah.. some people abuse the privilege, but there are always the rotten apples in the barrel.</p>
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